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Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« on: January 21, 2008, 06:37:13 PM »
The Olympian http://www.theolympian.com/outdoors/story/332167.html

Published January 19, 2008
Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
Chester Allen


Black bears are nibbling Douglas fir trees to death on some timberlands, so hunters will get a chance to whittle down the bear population during special hunts this spring.

One of the hunts will happen in Capitol State Forest, where 50 hunters will go after bears in the Game Management Unit 663 part of the forest.

All told, hunters can apply for 295 permits to hunt black bears in five different parts of Western Washington.

“All the hunts in Western Washington are special black bear damage hunts,” said Donny Martorello, carnivore, fur-bearer and special game section manager for the state Department of Fish and Wildlife. “The bears come out of hibernation in the spring — when food is kind of skimpy — and they’ve found that there is a sugar layer beneath the bark of 15- to 20-year-old Douglas fir trees.”

The bears peel off the bark to get the sugar — and kill a lot of the valuable trees, Martorello said.

The hunts start April 15 and run through May 31 or June 15. Hunters must apply for a special permit to hunt the bears.

The state Department of Natural Resources — which manages Capitol State Forest — asked for the special hunt because bears are ravaging Douglas fir trees in parts of the forest, said spokeswoman Jane Chavey.

“There are a lot of 15-to-20-year-old trees, and the bears can get into sections and trash a lot of trees,” Chavey said.

Capitol Forest is managed for timber production and recreation, and there are always sections of replanted trees reaching the age where they are a sugary treat for bears, Chavez said.

Other hunts are scheduled for game management units in Copalis, Kapsowsin, North Skagit and Monroe.

Bear hunters are not allowed to use tracking dogs during the hunts, Martorello said.

Most of the bear hunters do a lot of scouting and use maps that show areas where trees get a lot of damage, Martorello said.

“These are good hunters and they go the extra mile,” Martorello said.

The state polled outdoors people to see whether they would prefer contract hunters take the bears — or create special spring hunting seasons so regular hunters could take a few animals.

Most people favored regular hunters, and the program appears to be a success, Martorello said.

“We’re balancing timber needs with wildlife,” Martorello said.

Not every hunter gets a bear, Chavey said.

Western Washington is prime black bear country, Martorello said.

“There is a hefty population of bears in the state, particularly in Western Washington,” Martorello said. “The bear population is estimated at 25,000 animals.”

Chester Allen, outdoors writer for The Olympian, may be reached at callen@theolympian.com.




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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2008, 07:14:51 PM »
So if I sit and wait by a 15 year old fir tree, am I baiting? :dunno: :chuckle: :chuckle:  Hasn't been productive yet.
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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2008, 07:47:36 PM »
BTKR, are you finding all this damage they are citing? Just curious....
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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2008, 07:58:26 PM »
You didn't ask me, but I'll answer anyway. I found lots of damage in '04, when I drew the spring bear permit. The few times I've been out there in the last couple years I haven't seen much at all. It could just be that I wasn't looking as hard. Either that or there are a lot less bears.

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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2008, 08:13:12 PM »
My bad, should have asked all....

My concern is that they are offering up the capitol forest as a way to get increased permit applicants....without there being the need.....
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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2008, 08:15:55 PM »
Either me or the wife has drawn a CF tag the last 3 years, 2 tags last year.  First year we seen a lot of damage, and were provided 'damage' maps.  Last year, no new map.  Damage we found was light, and isolated to specific areas late in season.  BTKR shared info with us, so he knows most of our research ;)  I'll share if we don't draw 8) Hey, we even seen 2 bear last year, no time for a shot :bash:  Gonna put in again, now that we got em cornered :chuckle:
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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 08:46:49 PM »
DNR asked the WDFW for the spring bear season in there, not the other way around.  The thing about state land (or federal) is that they can't use hound hunters to kill bears when there is excessive damage, like the private timber companies do. That's how Weyerhaeuser and other private timber companies keep the damage down. But the DNR doesn't have that option.

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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2008, 09:12:14 PM »
I think I mentioned this to Billy.  While we were doing some scouting in th CF, we located a block of trees, which had been peeled (by man) in varying degrees of size, heigth, width, diameter, etc.  I would guess well over 100 trees. Lot more than we found peeled by bears last year :chuckle:   Each had a # tag.  Had to be some sort of damage study going on.  Also near walked into a snare trap set by WDFW during the spring season.  Seem strange they be trapping during a hunting season :dunno:
I'll repeat, we did a lot of hunting last year, and seen minimal damage, and that in the last 2 weeks of the season.  And yes we did get off the roads and hike into some of the more remote areas.  I'll be putting in for a tag none the less.  I'm a diehard that way :bash:  After all we don't get that many opportunities to share the woods with such an interesting and diverse group of users(no pun intended) :o :o :chuckle:
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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 06:22:41 AM »
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BTKR, are you finding all this damage they are citing? Just curious....

Not anymore. Bobcat was that 04 or 05? Whatever year that was, there was damage all over in the years preceding the spring hunts. Some places 4 out of 5 trees were dead or dying. The last couple years the spring damage has been minimal compared to the prior years. I also have some data somewhere (from DNR) that states the amount of timber damaged may not affect the bottom line come sale time.




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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2008, 06:26:30 AM »
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My concern is that they are offering up the capitol forest as a way to get increased permit applicants....without there being the need.....

I have a feeling that is not the case with the CF. I think they are still in the middle of a study, but they have lowered the number of permits to 50 in the last two years. I have been told they are more concerned with people keeping the bears moving than actually killing them.

I do know that the Copalis unit is a hunting op rather then a need.




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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2008, 06:28:28 AM »
Either me or the wife has drawn a CF tag the last 3 years, 2 tags last year.  First year we seen a lot of damage, and were provided 'damage' maps.  Last year, no new map.  Damage we found was light, and isolated to specific areas late in season.  BTKR shared info with us, so he knows most of our research ;)  I'll share if we don't draw 8) Hey, we even seen 2 bear last year, no time for a shot :bash:  Gonna put in again, now that we got em cornered :chuckle:

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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2008, 06:39:00 AM »
Thanks for the info guys. Didn't think about the private vs state land issue....thanks.
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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2008, 07:10:27 PM »
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BTKR, are you finding all this damage they are citing? Just curious....

Not anymore. Bobcat was that 04 or 05?

I am thinking it was '04. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. But at my age the years are starting to run together.  :chuckle:

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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2008, 07:28:28 PM »
I asked my wife...she says it was '05.  Actually that makes me feel better. That means it's only been two years now that I haven't been drawn, instead of three. 8)

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Re: Bear hunts planned to protect Douglas firs
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2008, 06:04:54 AM »
I asked my wife...she says it was '05.  Actually that makes me feel better. That means it's only been two years now that I haven't been drawn, instead of three. 8)

I thought so. It was the first year in the CF and there were 100 permits. The second year had 100 permits, the third had 50 and this year is 50.




 


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